Saturday, May 12, 2012

א נייע שטאטוסקווא.....

I think I've figured out why they're channeling Mihalkovich, Hungary, 5626 (1866) in their literature. They're trying to recreate that! They're going to try and wield the same power that the Rabbonei Hungary did back then. Just like the Rabbonim then decided that "you're either with us or against us," that if you do not join the Orthodox, then even if you're Orthodox you're not.... So too here. Back then if you remained Status Quo you weren't part of Orthodoxy and your shechita was treif and your Rav was as good as Reform, even if you had a beard and peyos to the floor and your wife wore a Burqa. This is apparently what the organizers and the Rabbonim here are trying to do. They want those who have Internet at home, or at least unfiltered Internet, and you all guys with the Blackberries and IPhones, they want you to be considered Status Quo Jews, and thus מחוץ למחנה. That means you're out of the schools, Yeshivos, shuls, your shechita is treif and you cannot be MESHADECH with any Orthodox Jew! (if nothing else does it the shidduch ban will.) Well, maybe not that much, but you're Modern Orthodox and considered as if you have a TV or home, or as if the lady of the house doesn't cover her hair. I'm not sure how they plan on accomplishing this in times like today.






















 This is from the "הצלת הדורות" pamphlet which we brought in its entirety last week. As you can well imagine I cannot read all of the literature that I present to you, so I did not notice it then. This particular page was brought to my attention at the end of last week by a very respected individual who was very taken aback by the words that they highlight here and considered them enough of a reason NOT to attend. He considers this very much NOT in the spirit of Toras HaBaal Shem Tov, and thus any person who follows the דרך הבעש"ט הקדוש  - and for whom the בעש"ט is holy and dear - should not attend. I said I would see what he's referring to, and now I see what he means. I'm sort of at a loss here. I know that this חשוב'ע person is not of Hungarian extraction and has never been exposed to this style of speaking and writing. To him all Jews are Hashem's children. There was no "teilung" where he comes from, so he cannot relate. He wouldn't do a shidduch with just anybody either, but this talk of מחוץ למחנה, and similar language REALLY rubs him the wrong way. He also has standards when it comes to whom he'd allow in schools, but it's the harsh language, which many would say is totally unnecessary, that got him so upset that despite the fact that he filters his internet he will not attend and wants others to stay away as well. Is it really necessary to use such language? Am I - and him - the only ones that think that writer here sounds like a very ANGRY man?

Will they succeed?

For the history of the Jews in Hugary see Here

Next we have the famous Takonos that were made in Mihalovitz, Hungary in 1866:
תקנות מיהאלאוויטץ תרכו

16 comments:

Hirshel Tzig - הירשל ציג said...

p.s. I think all pamphlets that they're publishing for the event should have haskomos as well, otherwise people will think that the Rabbonim agree with everything being written here as well. And that's just not the case!

Old timer said...

Hirshel
dont get worked up on this, this assifa will come and go, as all charadie protest.. ita chayie shoo event for some Litvish and Skulener machers and ganefs...
take it easy...

ej said...

I very much like this idea of yours, for all sorts of reasons.It explains the model that is being implicitly used, thus answering many questions why they believe this sort of politics is beneficial to the Jewish people or even Orthodoxy. It vindicates Hildersheimer, and Oberlander like the Kesav Sofer who was closer to the left that he was to the extreme right. It provides another example of the pernicious consequences of Rabbi S.R. Hirsch's politics of Austritt. He was deeply involved in the Hungarian debates on the side of the extremists, without fully understanding or maybe caring about the particulars of the Hungarian situation. An excellent book that I did not see mentioned in your Wikipedia link is the great historian Jacob Katz's book on the topic "A house divided : orthodoxy and schism in nineteenth-century Central European Jewry"

https://catalyst.library.jhu.edu/catalog/bib_2042647

Bar Minon said...

From the way they're hyperventilating about it, you'd think the internet is as bad as Zionism...

duvy said...

Hirsheleh,
You and your Lubavitcher friends never planned on coming, stop with the gebbebeteh mayyselach of looking for reasons not to go.
For your chevra the numero uno reason not to go was simply "not organized by Chabad".
Unless you want to point out any significant gathering not organized by Chabad that Lubavitchers went to en masse.
Additionally you still haven't addressed how you were privy to inside info about what happened at the private meeting in Monroe , unless you were "played" by the Aroinim to show how close to Chabad Monroes is and that shouldget Chabad to pressure the county executive to give the camps to Monroe.
By all accounts it appears that the event will be a sellout

eech said...

if you read this whole thing carefully enough, aron teielebaum will have quite a makover to do.

Boro Parker said...

Duvy
"You and your Lubavitcher friends never planned on coming, stop with the gebbebeteh mayyselach of looking for reasons not to go."
I am no Lubavicher no Aroni,no Bnie yoel,no Bobov 48, no Kashauer,No Sharie yosher.
Can you give me 1 reason to attend this event....

leib said...

When did all the Rabonim get together and have an asifa and decide what to do about the internet? Or are just being told by the askunim what should be done?

bpunbound said...

"That means you're out of the schools, Yeshivos, shuls, your shechita is treif and you cannot be MESHADECH with any Orthodox Jew!"

that means WE'RE ALL CHABAD NOW!!

So it wasn't meshichisism after all...who wouda thunk!

Got OpenDNS?

bpunbound said...

Duvy said:

"By all accounts it appears that the event will be a sellout"

that's y the poster hangers were working overtime erev shabbos hanging fresh posters begging folks to buy tickets?!

run along, little boy.

Dave said...

The tickets were being billed as sold out 1) for security reasons , no outsiders.
2) they are gone from the office it's just that not all the tickets were sold out by yeshivas yet
But if you ask around you will see that thousands bought tickets. In the end it will be sold out

Anonymous said...

It looks like even the Litvishe gedolim are coming out against Rabbi Salomon's event.

http://thelakewoodview.com/Local%20News/prominent-yeshiva-in-lakewood-speaks-out-against-the-citfield-asifa-with-the-backing-of-the-gedolei-hador

duvy said...

"that's y the poster hangers were working overtime erev shabbos hanging fresh posters begging folks to buy tickets?!

run along, little boy."

Unbound, don't get testy.
We know you are not coming and very few other Lubavitchers.
I guess they"ll manage without you.
The Daf Hayomi siyum gets a large crowd without Lubavitch participation, so it is doable.
Nisht gedayget.

fail said...

Hirshel,
Sure it won't work becuase when the rabonim who don't aprove of such typed of cherumim will be asked to join this they will not join this 'takuna'.
On the other hand those who will passel any yid that has internet has already passeled all yidden not in their kriez for not baring their 'hielike Shites'.
these writings will work for the people who used these metheds till now. Not for the rest of klal yisroel.

harediandproud said...

You're missing the point. There is no grand conspiracy here, it's just an attempt to help many innocent nishamos from falling into a deadly trap.

http://harediandproud.wordpress.com/2012/05/14/how-they-deal-with-the-cold-in-chelm/

shimon said...

Again,
All reports appear to point at a sellout crowd.
The Peshvorsker rebbe from Antwerp is apparently on his way.
THIS despite three noticeable dissenters who will not be there.
The Tzig
Bpunbound
Shoulson,Chaim
A fourth "unidentified" friend of the Tzig has managed to once again convince the Lubavitchers not to come.Unfortunate since Lubavitchers are part of such kinnusim.